Lungman
Hello everyone,

I am starting a new build for my 54lb longbow.  I am going to build EFOC or UFOC depending on how my setup preforms.  I am planning on using Black Eagle 250 carnivore arrows and a Tuffhead 265 single bevel with 100 grain Ethics archery spinning inserts.  Time will tell how this works. I don't take any shots past 20 yards and most will be in the 5-15 yard range.  I will be glad to let anyone who wants to know how this goes if they want. 
Eventually I want to use wooden footed arrows but for 2020 I'm going to use the carbon.

Thanks,
Lungman (Donnie)
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Terry Receveur
Sounds like a very lethal combination.
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DaveEarley
I'm a Valkyrie Archery fan (an EFOC setup); heads are not quite as heavy as you're planning to run, but they go through whitetails better than anything I have ever used in almost 40 years of bowhunting!  I think you will be very happy with any EFOC set up that tunes up and flies well for your rig.  Never heard of spinning inserts before tho; will be interested in your experience with them.
"Papa shoots arrows at deer, we eat tasty steaks!"  Grandson Matt, at age 3
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Lungman
Hi Dave,

I got them last year in 50grain after hearing about Ethics archery from "The Ranch Fairy".  I really only was going to buy regular Stainless Steel inserts but on seeing those I just had to get them and test them out against the regulars.  In my back yard the spinners were CONSISTENTLY better than the regular inserts in both flight and penetration. At the time I was shooting a Samick 55lb recurve with Magnus Stingers in 150 grain on 400 spine Black Eagle Vintage shafts at 29 inches with 3 4 inch feathers and a standard nock. It really amazed me.  I still did not get a deer last year so I don't know about structural integrity yet but I don't think there will be a problem.  I changed this year because my shafts were weak a little bit and I knew that I was going to the Tuffhead and heavier insert.  Hope that helps.  BTW they sell them in 3 packs and dozens so to try them out is less than 20.00.
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Lungman
Hi guys,

I have been testing my current setup (54lb longbow and Black Eagle Carnivore 250 shafts) with a variety of what I have had on hand.  Still slightly Stiff so I have ordered The direct bond system of inserts and the 190 grain Meathead and 300 Grain Tuffhead single bevel broadheads.  My current broadhead of a threaded 265 grain Tuffhead and 100 grain spinning insert were just not quite enough, but very close. I don't have a chronograph but I really don't care about speed, only arrow flight and FOC.  I switched to the direct bond system to ensure more structural integrity as I have been going over Dr. Ashby's Studies and trying to build the best arrow that I can.  So far just block tune but if all goes well on Friday afternoon I will paper tune and then move on to insert tune and finally to nock tune.
I will continue to post my results. Again I want to say that all of my shots will be 20 yards and closer and mostly in the 5-15 yard range. 
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molliesmaster
Sounds like a pretty heavy arrow.   What kind of total weight are you looking at?  The GPI on the shaft?  
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Lungman
The total weight will be somewhere around  700 to 750 or so.... I believe?   The GPI on the shaft is 9.7. I won't get an exact arrow weight until I actually finish bare shaft tune and get the fletch on. But I believe the fletch weight will be nominal at about 3.6 grains total for the 3 fletch I will probably use,  and maybe a grain or two for the turbulator as well.  
I can say in testing so far my arrow drop is minimally affected with the 675 grain I have been testing, literally maybe 1.5-2.5 inch difference at 22 yards in my yard.

Then when I believe I am done I will then retune to a fixed crawl I think. I am still on the fence about that so time will tell. But it is awfully tempting to just put the arrow point on where you want it to go when hunting....It reminds me of what my pins do on my old compound, which I don't use anymore but still I think you get what I am trying to say. "line up the shot and shoot" easy as pie.....maybe hahaha.
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Lungman
Well after much testing and tuning I believe my setup is complete.  I currently am running a Black Hunter longbow at 54# and Black Eagle 250 Carnivore arrows at 32 inches with 200 grain Tuffhead/Ethics direct bond system and the Tuffhead 300 grain for my broadhead. They weigh in at 823 grains and fly absolutely great in bare shaft testing. I will fletch one up tonight (Gateway batwing 2 inch) and see how that flies out to 25 yards just for observation, when hunting my max range has always been 20 for deer anyway. I have also decided to go ahead and use the fixed crawl as well and will determine if this affects anything as far as tuning goes....I hope not. This setup has produced amazing results so far but I will see if the trajectory is affected negatively too much by the heavy arrow.  I can bare shaft to about 8 yards inside my shop and at that distance its spot on with my old setup. Sound from my bow is just nothing..no twang, no noise at all as far as I can tell myself...only the thump of the arrow in the target..just for fun I shot my old setup (fletched) side by side on Saturday and yesterday and there is a ton more noise with the old setup. 
I believe this setup will preform beyond my expectations based on what I have see so far.  My FOC bare shaft is 31.25% so even with the fletching I believe I will be over 30%. I have tried to make sure that Dr. Ashby's first 2 factors have been adhered to as much as I possibly can.  I also think because of the UEFOC setup I am testing my arrow trajectory will be minimally affected because of the broadhead (FOC) actually pulling the shaft as opposed to the shaft steering itself.

Lastly I tried paper testing and just cannot get very accurate results, like I could with my compound, due to poor form and release sometimes.  So I just use my target as best as I can.

When I have more results I will share them.
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